Hazuki: Today’s guest is already here! Kaoru from Dir en grey!
Kaoru: Thank you (laughs)
Hazuki: Thank you for being here! (laughs)
Kaoru: Well, somehow as the tension is different than usual, I got a bit surprised…(laughs) *he means the program started suddenly*
Hazuki: (The program started) In a single blow…I cut in with a single blow…. I’m sorry… Well, I’ve been on Youtube since last year….I already had Ryuichi Kawamura (Luna Sea’s vocalist) and an acquaintance who is a death metal/death growls instructor….being able to do talks like this it’s a bit special so I want to do more and more….like for example, telling everyone stories about Kaoru they’ve never heard before….I would like to see that more and more….I asked you (to come here) and you agreed immediately so thank you so much…
Kaoru: No,no…you don’t need to (thank me)….
Hazuki: I’m really thankful….
Kaoru: But, the first time we talked about this was last year….
Hazuki: It was actually a while ago, that’s true…
Kaoru: But somehow, I wondered if there was something good we could talk about here….
Hazuki: This time, “Oboro” will be released on 28th April….so I’d like to talk about that as well…there are also a few things here *pointing at the table* so it’s not just that…. I often met Kaoru but there are times we meet from the beginning but sometimes we meet in a second or third different stages….
Kaoru: After eating…
Hazuki: There are some patterns about coming together, like sometimes it’s the two of us at the beginning….
Kaoru: Yes
Hazuki: Or both of us staying until the end…..to this day, I haven’t get used to that situation at all….*laughs*
Kaoru: At those times, you are a bit…..like this…..*starts imitating Hazuki, making awkward movements* Like this…..*Hazuki laughs, Kaoru too* At that moment I feel like “ohh” *ego boost gesture lol*
Hazuki: No,no…. (laughs) It feels exactly like that to me…..yes….I feel it…. So, before these talks, I get a drink for the guest that is here. I brought a lot of things but for the time being, let’s open a beer and after getting some alcohol in our bodies…
Kaoru: That’s right… let’s start with this, right?…. because if you don’t drink, you won’t say anything….
Hazuki: I’m sorry….as there is a little distance between us…. I’m nervous so I need to drink alcohol…because you are a big senpai for me….cheers!
Kaoru: Cheers!
They both toast with their beer cans.
Hazuki: It’s good…everyone is curious about one thing…. It’s really in the way….*Hazuki puts his hand on a bottle that it’s on the centre of the table, covered by a cloth* It’s really an object that stands out but, the drink that I want to serve for Kaoru today is….well, for me this…..how long has it been? I think 15-16 years… but in this long time there is especially one drink that left an impression in me….
Kaoru: Is something we drank together?
Hazuki: We did….I get to know this type of alcohol/sake from Kaoru…. I couldn’t drink it at that time…
Kaoru: I wonder what it is…
Hazuki:I couldn’t drink it but as you were really into it and drank it….I was like….”I want to drink it with Kaoru”, so I tried and it was delicious….so I was able to drink it that’s why today I brought it…do you know what is it?…*pointing at the cloth*
Kaoru:*Laughs* I wonder… what can it be?…. Because of the size I would say it’s whisky…
Hazuki: Ah yes the size…..but it’s not….it’s another thing….
Kaoru: Sweet potato shōchū?
Hazuki: Ah, you are quite close….it’s a type of shōchū….
Kaoru: Eh?
Hazuki: It’s not Sweet potato shōchū
Kaoru: Is it Tantakatan?
* Tantakatan is a shōchū made with perilla leaves. It is produced in Hokkaido, Japan.
Hazuki: *screams* AH!…that’s it…..*Kaoru and Hazuki laugh* That’s amazing *Hazuki starts clapping* You knew it so well…*Hazuki takes off the cloth of the bottle*
Kaoru: It’s been a long time!
Hazuki: It’s Tantankatan….
Kaoru: This makes me feel really nostalgic….
Hazuki: How many years ago?
Kaoru: A lot….
Hazuki: I think it was 23 years ago….
Kaoru: I used to drink this a lot….
Hazuki: Drinking this kind of alcohol on the rocks…. I was still young at that time, I’ve only drank beer, shōchū and highball shōchū. I thought “I should really try this”. When you asked me to join you, drinking this, I drank a lot and got really into it. After this, there was a boom in potato-fermented drinks *Kaoru laughs* But because you asked me to drink it together, I got to like it. *Kaoru laughs*
*On the rocks” means serving an alcoholic beverage in a cocktail glass with ice. I think Hazuki means is “a fancy drink”.
Kaoru: How nostalgic….I barely drink this anymore….
Hazuki: I drink it…. I thought “this is definitely the drink I want to share with him”…..after drinking this beer….
Kaoru: Let’s drink it….let’s finish the beers…
Hazuki: You don’t need to hurry….we still have time….
Hazuki seems to be amazed by Kaoru’s reaction towards the Tantankatan.
Kaoru: This makes me feel really nostalgic! Do they sell this at convenience stores?
Hazuki: They do.
Hazuki wants to know when Kaoru had the first chance to try Tantakatan.
Kaoru: Maybe on tour…
Hazuki: I see, because it was popular/a trend…to drink it with everyone…
Kaoru: Maybe the first time I drank it…. It was with Mr Ito, from the security company of X (X Japan)….that person’s face looked like a gorilla….*Hazuki laughs* when we started going on tour together, I started drinking it with him….
*Mr. Ito was popular for being in charge of the security of X Japan and Luna Sea. He worked later with other bands like Dir en grey. He is said to be the saviour of many fans as he worked sometimes in the front lines.
Hazuki: He gave it to you and you drank it together….I see…. Actually, it’s not the first time you appear in a program I’m doing….
Kaoru: You mean the radio one?
Hazuki: Yes, the one called 「Weekly lynch」. When was it? 8 or 7 years ago. At that time, you were about to release “The Unraveling”. You were releasing “The Unraveling” so you came to the program. Since then, probably most of the people who are watching this haven’t heard that radio program, especially Lynch fans so, roughly I’d like to talk about how we ended up here….I would like to talk about this again…our first encounter….do you remember it? *Hazuki starts laughing softly but ends up laughing loudly when he sees Kaoru struggling to remember it*
*Kaoru appeared as a guest in「Weekly lynch」in NACK5 FM on March 2013.
Kaoru: It was because of Reo, right?
Hazuki: That’s it, that’s it….
Kaoru: I remember it was Reo (Lynch’s guitarist) who introduced you to me…. About where it was…..I think it was at some hotel lobby…
Hazuki: That’s it, that’s it…at that time you were staying at a hotel in Nagoya….
Reo and I went to the lobby to meet you and we went to a shop…..I was really really nervous…I was thinking “finally I’m going to meet Dir en grey”, as I knew the band since I was in high school…I was really nervous about meeting you for the first time but….at that hotel lobby there were many fans showing up as well…like waiting for the members….I was thinking “as expected from stars/famous people” when you were getting off quickly…*Hazuki laughs*
Kaoru: I see….it was at a hotel…
Hazuki: That time we hardly talk….
Kaoru: That’s true….I talked to Reo mostly…
Hazuki: But I was listening to you in the sideway….at that time I already liked to drink…. But Reo doesn’t drink right?…*Kaoru nods* I guess he can’t drink…. I don’t know though….but he didn’t drink…the next time you came to Nagoya, I find the courage to invite you, I was like “tonight I’m going to invite Kaoru!”, but at that time you have another plan with other person so you told me “I’m sorry”…so I went back home…. The next day, you contacted me by email to meet in the afternoon…
Kaoru: Suddenly?
Hazuki: Suddenly…I thought it was weird because it was your day off… I got super excited….and we went to “Mountain”…
Kaoru: Aaaaaa
Hazuki: (Mountain) in Nagoya….I want everyone to google it….it’s a pasta place among other things…
Kaoru: I’m sure your fans know it well….I get to know this place from you….
Hazuki: Is that so?-….*laughs*.. I was the one who introduced this place to you…
Kaoru: That’s it, that’s it….
Hazuki: Well….since that moment….. each time that Kaoru came to Nagoya with Dir en grey…we would usually drink together….it was almost like a perfect attendance award, right?
Kaoru: Right….
Hazuki talks a little bit more about attending Dir’s live when they came to play at Zepp Nagoya even though he lived in a rural area.
Hazuki: At that time, I lived at my parents house in a really rural area of Nagoya. As going by train to Nagoya was hard, coming back was also hard, manga cafe…
Kaoru: *cutting in* That’s it!
They both starting laughing.
Kaoru: I asked you if you were ok (staying there)….
Hazuki: The first time after the live was over….at the first after party…..the other members were there….there were many people gathering there… every one was talking and I didn’t do much there… the second time you told me to wait for you….when we finished drinking it was past midnight….early in the morning…. There wasn’t a night bus and I didn’t have money to come back by taxi….so I came to the manga café, slept a bit and came back by train in the morning…
Kaoru: That’s it….
Hazuki: For me, that you came to Nagoya and we could drink together….it was something really valuable for me….it makes me feel nostalgic….those days have kept going these 15-16 years….it might feel a bit like “why a vocalist and a guitarist *laughs* but you are really a big senpai that I respect…that’s right…this program….for this talk corner….nothing has been decided…*Kaoru nods* I really didn’t decide anything….what could be the first topic?….mmm…I think we could talk about the moment you got into rock music….
Kaoru: Like when I started playing?
Hazuki: That’s right….for example, I only listened to kayōkyoku ( Japanese popular music from Showa Era) when I was an elementary student….at that time it started to sound “Rosier” by Luna Sea and I was like “what is this?” so I got into the rock world…is there something like that for you? Something like “oh that’s amazing!” or so….
Kaoru: The first time I listened to something and thought “that’s rock” was BOOWY.
Hazuki: Eh?? Is that so?
Kaoru: I think it was a thing for my generation…..everyone listened to BOOWY.
Hazuki: They were still active?
Kaoru: Barely….it was before their disband.….
Hazuki: I see…
Kaoru: But at middle school everyone listened to them….but the band I listened to before them was Seikima-II….
Hazuki laughs.
Kaoru: Singles at that time were records (LP), right?..
Hazuki: Yes…
Kaoru: I bought it and listened to it….even at that time, like when it comes to bands and rock music it was like…..something amazing and flashy… Seikima-II felt like “this is it”….that’s how it felt when I listened and looked at them….I didn’t listen to them with the image of “this is rock” or a “band”…. But when I heard that kind of band, the guitars, the bass….everything together I thought “this is cool”….as expected, BOOWY’s (activities) at that time were decreasing but there was also bands like Barbee Boys and Ziggy…. But among all those bands I listened to….when I was in middle school, a transferred student came to my school to my class….he looked very serious…in that class he felt like the calm type….he sat next to me….and once we were going back home he invited me to hang out with him…even thought he was a middle school student….his room was full of records…..he had everything….an amplifier, record player, tapes…he also have CDs that were a recent thing at that time….he also had this huge speaker…of course he had a bed as well as it was his room….
Hazuki: But it was your friend’s stuff? Not his father’s?
Kaoru: It wasn’t his father’s stuff, all belonged to him…
Hazuki: Ehhhh
Kaoru: It was amazing….it looked like an unknown world to me….I went to his house often to hang out after school…we would listen to the records that he had, he told to listen to the music he liked….one of the things he made me listen to was metal….
Hazuki: Western music?
Kaoru: There was a lot of western music as well…like Iron Maiden and Judas…also Japanese metal and so but….it was like a “no way, no way” for me….
Hazuki: At time it wasn’t your cup of tea?
Kaoru: At all….
Hazuki: Eh…
Kaoru: I liked music in English….like Michael Jackson…I like Pop….music from the UK…..I listened to new wave bands for example….but that kind of hard rock or metal….I have this image of muscular guys playing in shorts jumping around energetically while playing….with those things in their shoulders that made them look like Saint Seiya….*Hazuki laughs* I had that kind of image…
Hazuki: This is after BOOWY?
Kaoru: It’s after BOOWY….I still was listening to BOØWY’s all the time….*Kaoru mumbles something about BOOWY’s CD covers?*
Hazuki mentions Japan ( A new wave band from the Uk). They also mention again BOOWY’ and finally, X Japan appears. Kaoru mentions X’s Vanishing vision and that he didn’t like it at first because of the fierce and fast tempo songs.
Hazuki: Eh? *laughs* I really can’t believe what you are saying right now…
Kaoru: It was like a “no,no” for me…but among them, there were one or two
songs that I liked…
Hazuki: Yes, yes…
Kaoru: Then, at high school…..I graduated from middle school and I started high school on April…and the 21st of April “Blue blood” was released….
Hazuki: Oh!
Kaoru: At the bookstore and so there were X stuff there, I already knew them….and I preordered the CD….
Hazuki: *Laughs* How did that happen?
Kaoru: I don’t know….I just did it…
Hazuki: But you didn’t like them at that time….*laughs*
Kaoru: But somehow for the first time, I was interested in them so I went the day of the release to buy the CD, I went back home,I listened to it at the radio-cassette and I was like “what on Earth is this?” *Hazuki laughs*
Hazuki: That wasn’t too fast and fierce for you…
Kaoru: It wasn’t….at all…
Hazuki points out that the song called like the album “Blue blood” is fast and fierce but Kaoru seems to not care about that as he was amazed by the album. For Hazuki, it was too fast and fierce so it was a “No” for him at that moment.
Kaoru: I was like “what’s this”?….
Hazuki: And because of that opportunity, even though it was fierce and fast, as you bought the CD yourself…
Kaoru: For me, it was the feeling of the whole “Blue blood” album….it was like listening to something amazing…
Hazuki: But you got interested in that album when you saw that add (at the bookstore)….
Kaoru; That’s it, That’s it….
Hazuki: From there, you got into that world-view….
Kaoru: Certainly…that’s it, that’s it…at first, as expected, I didn’t know much about instruments and their sound….but the songs…and the atmosphere when I listened to the songs….I saw there was a live at the medium hall of the Kousei Nenkin Kaikan in Osaka but the tickets were already sold out. I feel like going to the venue at that moment….
Hazuki: But you didn’t have a ticket….
Kaoru tells next the story about how he got the ticket after walking around the venue. It seems he was first offered a ticket by a old guy who asked for 5000 yen for the ticket (the real price was 3000 yen) but Kaoru didn’t have the money for it as he needed some for the train back home. Kaoru gave up about getting a ticket and he was wondering if he should buy some merch as people started to gather for the concert. Then, another old guy guy approached him and offered him a ticket, that was a seat in the last row of the first floor, and Kaoru got it. Kaoru adds he was kind of careless for doing that? ( getting a ticket from a scalper) And Hazuki starts laughing nervously.
Hazuki: Well, well it’s ok…..because it’s an old story….
Kaoru: Then at the live I was on the right side….
Hazuki: That was Hide’s….
Kaoru: When I saw him….I was shocked….
Hazuki: Like it was something you shouldn’t see…. Were you a middle school student at that moment?
Kaoru: A High school student….
Hazuki: Ah, you were in high school….
Kaoru: After seeing him, I just could see this person…
Hazuki: But you are Dir en grey’s leader, right? Everyone…that fast and fierce songs were a “no” for you *laughs*
Kaoru: It was really a “no-no” for me….for real….no way…
Hazuki: And after that, the most intense and fast songs……but you didn’t like that at the beginning….but because of Hide…..X japan at that time was really fierce/violent….*Kaoru nods* With their hair up this way…*makes the gesture of the hair*
Kaoru: All of them have their hair up…..but at the beginning, I was a little reluctant to get into foreign metal….
Hazuki: I understand that, it was the same for me….I was reluctant to it….
Kaoru: It was like it felt hard to get into it….
Hazuki: But when I was reading interviews of the artist I liked, they wrote about other musicians they liked, right? I wanted to try to listen to them, but I couldn’t really do it….because I didn’t like it….
Kaoru: That’s right…
Hazuki: It was like that….was it the same for you?
Kaoru: Like Alice Cooper with all that heavy black make-up…..he looked scary….when I listened to it, I didn’t really understand it…
Hazuki: Like “X is better”, right?….it was like that for me too….
Kaoru: Hide was into pop music so I got into some artists because of him.
Hazuki: I see…
Kaoru: It’s stuff that I still listen nowadays….at that time he introduced these artist to his fans and I got into it. Now I listen to it and I think it’s cool…somehow it became like my roots….but at that time when it comes to rock, it was like “I don’t get it”….
Hazuki: I see….at that time, the members of Luna Sea would talk about Guns N’ Roses or Nirvana….I rent some stuff from them but I was like “it’s not fierce, it’s not dark or bright, it’s just different”. Another time I listened to Korn and Slipknot and I was like “Oh, I like this”…until then, I barely listen to anything like that….
Kaoru: So since that time, you started to listen to western music….
Hazuki: Yes, I started to listen to it properly…..you already finished your beer…
Kaoru: I did….
Hazuki: Oh, I’m sorry….*Hazuki grabs the bottle of “Tantakatan” to open it* That guy you talked about, the guy with the audio equipment, what happened to him after that?
Kaoru: At that time, we graduated from middle school and….
Hazuki: Is that so?
Kaoru: I don’t know what he is doing since then at all….
Hazuki: Eh???
Kaoru: Truth is….I would like to try to meet him….
Hazuki: If he is watching this…..if you see this, you can definitely contact us….so, about music….this talk is because you are going to release a single and it would be strange to not talk about it…
Kaoru: It feels weird…
Hazuki: It’s embarrassing for me because I’m not used to this. It’s a bit embarrassing but I really want to ask you about it…. “Oboro”, which is going to be released on 28th April…
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