-Since when have you wanted to visit Salar de Uyuni?
I don’t remember for sure, but since I was over twenty, I guess. Since the first time I saw a picture, I’ve wanted to go there. As I recall, it was a mirrored photo of a blue sky taken in the daytime. It was so pretty that I looked into it in various ways. I learned that the scenery is totally different in dry season and rainy season and that the stars are awesomely beautiful at night, and the knowledge made me all the more eager to go.
-Before the boom?
It seems so. I thought it was already a boom and asked people around me about it, but unexpectedly they didn’t know. Probably, it had just started to attract attention.
-Your dream has come true.
Yep. I have visited many places and more than once I found the photos were better. But Uyuni was different. It was just the same as the photos. It is exceptional, isn’t it? When I went into the salt lake by car I felt that it was the place that wouldn’t betray my expectation.
-You were murmuring, ‘I think I can stay here forever’ when you got off the car, looking around at the scenery.
I don’t remember the words themselves, but it means ‘I love this place’.
-Do you like the place surrounded by nothing but nature?
Probably human beings all love such a place. There is no one who isn’t moved by visiting Salar de Uyuni, right? But, say, if you see a model of Salar de Uyuni, none of you will be attracted to it. When I thought why, I found it’s because it is vast and extensive. Nothing shuts out the view. That’s the only reason why you’re moved, I think.
-Do you think those who have grown up there will feel like that?
I don’t know. I’d like to ask them. But when I saw Monet’s large painting of water lilies, I was impressed with its awesomeness, too! I wouldn’t have felt like that when I had seen the picture of a smaller size, like a postcard.
-Along this line of thinking, Uyuni’s scale is extravagant.
That’s right. Besides, when you search for information before visiting some place, you are often given too good information to be real, right? Such traps. (lol) This time, there were no such things. I usually find myself disappointed to see the real place because the photos had been too nice. But Salar de Uyuni was great because it approached me as it was. In that sense, I’d like to recommend this place to my friends and this is my favorite place now.
-How will you recommend it?
I’d say you should go there.
-lol
It may seem so far but it’s really worth visiting, I’d say. It is wonderful not because there is something nice there but because there is nothing there infinitely, and it attracts me. Probably you may be also impressed to see vast grassland that spreads as far as the eye can reach, I think. Above all, the water and the sky is especially beautiful, right?
-But don’t you get bored with such a situation?
Well, someday. (lol) But it will take some time, I mean. Since the place is an unrealistic and extraordinary, I won’t get bored for several days.
-When you go on a trip, do you usually head to a vast and large place?
No. I seldom go on a trip at all. In the first place, I don’t take a trip for a change of air, or in order to meditate. It’s like I’d like to do such a thing after I get married all at one time. Now, if I had time to do such things, I would prefer to do something specific to enhance my ability. When I have settled down, married and having children, and feel like saying, ‘Whew!’ I want to travel a lot. (lol) Then I’ll have someone to travel with and enjoy leisure, well, I just want to enjoy being comforted.
-You have such impression of ‘travel’?
Yep. I don’t think that just because you travel, your ability as a human will improve. It may allow you to reset yourself when you’re driven to the extremity, though.
-Did you think about your job while standing in Salar de Uyuni?
Simply, I thought I’d like to make a film in such a place.
-What kind of film?
I don’t know yet. But films have great power now, don’t they? For example, once photographers other professionals are involved, the scenery will look more beautiful than it really is, right? If you try that for Uyuni, what will happen, I wonder? How much more wonderful will it be?
-And that on a large screen, right?
Exactly! I thought so.
-You got interested in this place through photos, actually went there, and now you’re seeing the photos of you that were taken there. What do you think of it?
Well, it isn’t the matter of the scenery of Uyuni, but I start to think from a business point of view at once. I’m curious about whether it is properly good as a photo book.
-You’re cool-headed from the start.
And at a glance, I thought it’s all right. It was nicely done, I thought.
-You want people to know the nature in Uyuni, right? By the way, I hear that you’re interested in nature, wild lives, and the universe itself.
It means my way of thinking comes from an aptitude for science. I like science, such as biology.
-Thinking in the cosmic scale, human life is nothing but a short-lived glow, right? Do you sometimes think like that?
I like to think like that.
-When do you think like that?
Basically, I’m always thinking like that. Everybody likes to do so, don’t they?
-It’s different from … say … that you have a concrete vision for your activity each year, right?
I don’t do it at all. I like to think about ‘to live’ in an ideological sense. It is difficult to reach an answer, but sometimes I have a moment when I feel I’m close to the answer. However, it isn’t linked to the idea that ‘I will live on in this way’.
-It seems to be different.
Yes. For example, can you easily answer the question: Why are human beings living?’
-Because I was given birth? Hmm …
I haven’t found the answer to ‘why I’m living’, but I noticed that there’s no such thing as ‘an answer’. Moreover, I noticed that if there’s no answer, I can make a decision. I can decide the reason why I’m living by myself. And when you get down to it, nobody has his own heart beat by thinking ‘I will make my heart beat!’ nor did he/she start his/her life thinking ‘Now, I will live!’ right? In other words, we are ‘made to live’ by some mysterious power. Then it can be said that one is truly living his/her life only when one has a clear thought that ‘This is what I’m living for’ in his/her own way … Thinking about such a thing is my favorite.
-You’ve said that before, I know. But it seems, depending on each one’s view point, kind of cruel, or too cool way of thinking. Don’t you think so?
Absolutely. Knowing that, still, I see things around me like that and I think it’s natural.
-Have you always been like that? Or after you were disappointed at something?
Not disappointed or something like that, but by simply getting to the core it, I’ve become like this. Basically this has always been my way of thinking, I feel.
-As for me, I often said to others, ‘Why am I myself and not able to know others as I know myself?’ …
I understand! It’s a familiar story but people ask: Does the world exist because I am here, or do I happen to be in the world that exists first? You understand only yourself and you’re not sure if the world spreading in front of you actually exists there or not. It might be that you’re looking at what is going on just in your brain … I’ve been thinking that kind of thing since I was an elementary student.
-I see. (lol) Then, usually people can’t find the answer and come to agonize. So I think you are great because you’ve reached an answer after thinking thoroughly about the reason to live.
In my teens, I was rather agonizing because I couldn’t have the answer. But now, I’ve reached an obscure answer that ‘I can decide it’, so I feel kind of settled.
-By the way, how about ‘death’?
Naturally, when you are asleep, you lose consciousness, right? I think ‘death’ means you don’t wake up after that. ‘Nothing’, I should say. I don’t believe in the afterworld.
-Are you afraid of ‘death’?
At this moment, I’m not afraid. But if death becomes factual, say, if I had a gun shoved at me, I’d get scared, I suppose.
-That answer is characteristic of Takeru-kun.
That reminds me that though it was not that I was in despair or disappointed about anything, when I was an elementary school student, I thought I would answer ‘I want the earth to disappear all at the same time, bam!’ if I was asked, ‘What if one of your dreams should come true?’ If I should die alone, everyone around me would be sad. If my friends should die, I would be sad. So it was definitely the best way that all of us, without even knowing or feeling pain, disappear at the same time, I was convinced.
-When you were an elementary school student?
Yes. (lol) I don’t think so now. If someone tells me one of my dreams will come true, I will say something much happier. I often tell this story to my friends and they say, ‘Well, that’s what you say.’
-Do you think something like ‘I can die here and now’ after you’ve come to have a more realistic image of ‘death’ than those days?
Honestly, I sometimes feel I can die now because I’m so happy. And even now, I wish everything could vanish, bam!
-Are you interested in yourself?
I don’t say no, but including this question, I like to think about various things, I suppose. I like the activity to work out my own answer though it is very hard, I think.
-Do you have the answer that ‘I am this kind of person’? Some people make a definitive statement.
I’m not interested in such a thing, but I know about 80% of myself, roughly estimated though. It seems that my close friends can feel my sense and sometimes say, ‘We can see some parts of you that you cannot see.’ So I can’t say I know 100% of myself.
-What is that 80% like?
Eh, you’re going to make me answer an awkward question. (lol) OK, first of all, I like to think. Next, I’m not such an attention seeker. I think much of duty and humanity, and I’m conscious of ‘good old’ things. Well, plus, I’m relatively considerate. (lol)
-I think you are quite considerate. (lol) Anything else?
Um, I don’t know. I’m interested in human beings in a biological sense, but probably I’m indifferent to most people, I think.
-Can you pretend not to be indifferent to others?
If I try, I’ll be able to do it, but I seldom do it.
-Indifferent but considerate. As a general rule, it causes a feeling of strangeness, but in Takeru-kun’s case, it makes sense, I feel.
It’s true it sounds paradoxical. (lol) But I want you to understand me somehow, or like that.
-What’s your weak point that you’re aware of?
There’s no end to the list, but I really respect those who can do what I can’t do. One of the things is ‘to forgive others’. When I can’t forgive someone, they say, ‘It happens. You care too much’, but I cannot help it easily.
-Did that person do such a grave thing, you mean?
To me, yes. Some people can forget or forgive such a person. They say it will cool down in a week, but it never happens to me.
-In a year?
I don’t know, but probably I won’t change my mind …. I wonder it will be OK in five years. (lol)
-It doesn’t happen so often, right?
Of course, it doesn’t happen so many times in my life. It won’t happen so often. It’s troublesome, but it can’t be helped. It’s not like I have a choice. It’s a matter of emotion.
-When you get down to it, it means you ‘never forget’, right?
Yes, I’ll never forget. To put it simply, I’m type to carry a grudge. (lol)
-So you feel grateful for favors.
Yes, to the contrary. It makes sense.
-But it can be said that you won’t forget someone you dislike.
Absolutely.
-From the start, I thought you are indifferent to human beings, right?
Paradoxical again. (lol)
-I hear that you’re often told that your way of thinking is queer.
I’ve lived that I am ordinary, but I’ve been told I’m not ordinary so often that I’ve noticed one thing: I am not ordinary in that I am different from others. But it is a matter of ways of thinking, so I’m ordinary in my mind. But probably I’m in a minority. In this world I’m in a very tiny minority.
-A very tiny minority?
In my junior and senior high school days, I had no one that was on the same wavelength as me.
-To tell the truth, I heard an episode that shows Sato Takeru very well. Your Kohai (younger) actor made sushi with bread for Takeru-kun. When you eat it, you said, ‘Now I understand why there are sushi chefs in the world’, right?
I said so, I said so, because I really thought so.
-Average people would say, after eating, ‘Um, I’m not sure but …’ or ‘A little different from what I expected’, or use a little more direct expression. I think your way of talking is great because you are not telling a lie but won’t hurt the other person.
I said so without the consciousness that I must be nice to him or mustn’t hurt him. Since I love sushi, I once was shocked when I ate sushi made by a non-professional. I felt just the same as that time. I learned a lot.
-I know. That’s what interests me about you. Your way of interpretation or explanation. Your unintentional response can lead to the consciousness, I mean.
Well, even my close friends say I’m strange, so probably I’m actually strange, I suppose. And as I like thinking, I tend to see things from a step back objectively. For example, I may be sensitive to my words, thinking, ‘If I say it, certain people must think this and that.’ Recently there was a line in ‘If cats disappear from the world’: Parsley is not necessary in the world. I thought it might shock parsley growers.
-I see.
Then I wondered how many parsley growers were in Japan now; Less than one thousand? Would it be OK … ? My idea expands like this.
-You have a lot to think about. (lol)
But I’m thinking unconsciously. It’s just my daily affairs.
-If so, it seems that you have few quarrels where you hurt others by words.
Maybe so.
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